1st Gen R50 Cooper How to take the head off?

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    RallyMini370 Well-Known Member

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    I have ordered a haynes manual which won't be with me until after the weekend. I have a burnt out valve which I plan to fix by dropping on a Cooper S head. All I need is the info to remove the head and put it back on.

    Thanks

    Chris
     
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    #2 k-huevo, Mar 30, 2012
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    I recommend patience and wait for the manual. Here's an overview, start with this procedure, but leave the thermostat housing connected to the hoses R53 Thermostat & Housing Installation - Library, unclip the coolant temp sending unit on the head, remove the intercooler and IC output duct, if you have nimble fingers and nifty small tools the three 8mm bolts holding the BPV to the IC output duct can be removed, or detach the band clamp from the hose feeding the supercharger intake duct (this method is a reconnect ***** because the IC output duct is secured to the intake manifold over studs), follow these steps http://www.werkinmini.com/R50-R53%20Camshaft%20Installation.pdf, disconnect the fuel rail and injectors, remove the rail with injectors, unbolt header, remove head bolts from outside to inside in circular path. Lifting the head with intake manifold is a bit sticky because dowel pins must be cleared, and the head gasket will not want to let go. Once the head is removed the block deck must be cleaned, I use a Roloc disc pad 051144-05539, take care to keep the disc pad flat so it doesn't round edges, a flat block and ultra fine sand paper can also be used, be sure to cover/fill all the openings so abrasive material doesn't contaminate the cylinder walls & rings, enter oil passages, or timing chain galley.

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    Are you using OEM head bolts, or aftermarket studs or bolts?
     
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    Thanks for your reply, lucky for me the car is a Cooper so no "S" plumbing to deal with! How about the timing chain and timing marks and torque settings. When I bought the car I was hoping to run it a few months before shipping to Costa Rica but I found the exhaust valve was burnt out so I got a S head to to drop on until I rebuilt the engine for rally. As for the head bolts I'll most likely re-use them(shock horror) as I don't want to waste money on new ones until I do the rebuild. I'm to use the cheapest gaskets too! hahaha:biggrin5:
     
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    Uhmmmmm, have you ever done this kind of work before? Do you have the shop, tools etc to successfully complete the job?

    I'm always surprised by how willing a neophyte is to tackle a complex job like this with little more than a How-To, no tools and no experience in mechanical things.

    Best of luck to you! :Thumbsup:
     
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    #5 k-huevo, Mar 31, 2012
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    See the camshaft installation pdf I linked previously for marking the timing chain & camshaft sprocket, and camshaft related torque numbers. After marking, lower the timing chain slowly. The head bolts are single use torque to yield bolts, not re-usable unless they have not stretched. A new bolt will be needed as a baseline for measurement; I don't recommend re-use.

    Engine bracket to engine 74 ft-lb
    Exhaust manifold 18 ft-lb
    Intake manifold 19 ft-lb
    Cylinder head to block with OEM bolts, first round 30 ft-lb, circular inside to outside, second round + 90 degree torque angle for each
    The two bolts on the timing chain side of the head 21 ft-lb

    Something I failed to mention earlier is removing the timing chain guides, the bolts are 21 ft-lb.
     
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    Thanks for the info.

    Uhmmmmm, have you ever done this kind of work before? Do you have the shop, tools etc to successfully complete the job?

    I'm always surprised by how willing a neophyte is to tackle a complex job like this with little more than a How-To, no tools and no experience in mechanical things.

    Best of luck to you!

    I might know a little after after 36 years of building engines, transmissions and rally cars but thus far not a Mini Cooper. Well plenty of the old ones. Thanks for your concern
     
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    I have both and I've compared, the Bentley Manual is much more detailed and helpful for this task than the Haynes Manual, but then the Bentley is also much more expensive. Of course newbs like me need all the help we can get, since you have plenty of experience you'll probably get all you need from the Haynes and it does a fair job of identifying S- vs. Cooper-specific steps.
     
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    #8 RallyMini370, Mar 31, 2012
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    Thanks Steve, I can figure most things out by a few pictures so I have always found the Haynes manual a useful tool.

    Mr K thanks. I did find at the local parts store a set of bolts for $20 . I have used those single use bolts before after checking the length as you stated but at $20 I use new ones. For the rally engine I will competition items
     
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    Pulled the head off, thanks Steve for your help. Seemed pretty easy. looking forward to putting on the S head when I return from Costa Rica in 3 weeks.
     
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    KUDOS for doing it your self!! Just DONT drop the timing chain, or move the engine!!

    Just me..................................

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    Thanks Thumper, It was an interesting experience as I was getting to know the engine area. I did notice the metal water pipe was rusty , where can I get a new one?

    I've been ordering stuff for the rebuild.

    OBX header, Goodridge brake lines, race engine/tranny mount bushes. head set, head bolts, timing chain tensioner, EBC brakes(my sponsor) OMP race seats, OMP steering wheel, race battery, oil cooler kit and still looking for more stuff. haha
     
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    Man it is hard to beat that OBXr Header. IF you do a cylinder head in the future, let the Porter know to match the OBX header to the head... cool??

    Just me.......................

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    How 'bout a skid plate?
     
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    I know of a nice Fidanza Flywheel for sale if you are upgrading your clutch. :wink: PM if interested
     
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    There's not enough flow from the stock NA 1.6 for it too make a difference for anything other than noise.
     
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    Rallying is all about preparation. As with the Suzuki GTI the Mini will find its way to Costa Rica. I fly with AA so I get 100LBS of check in which can amount to a lot of stuff. I checked in everything to build the Swift. The OBX is big as are the seats so I'm going to sem i prep the car here and then ship it. Once I get the car to Costa Rica I will pull the engine/Tranny and do a full rebuild with HC pistons/ cam/ head and other mods. Skid plate I'm working on.
     
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    Cool... Neat way to do a build, sorta like the old tv series Mash where Radar sent a Jeep home in the mail.. piece by piece!! LOL

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    4-2-1 design.. proven power thru the years of Header design.
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    Head and Gasket ACTUALLY need to be enlarged for proper interface between Header and Head.
    [​IMG] what the OEM header mis-match restriction is...

    OEM header dia is approx 1.00" and the OBXr is 1.55 " dia., There might be a few better designs out there.. for 6xs more cost, and a few more topend ponies... but for the dual purpose street some time track.. the $189.00 OBXr head rocks..!!


    Just saying.............................................

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    The OEM gasket doesn't seal well on the OBX, it requires a different gasket. The OEM exhaust gasket can't be "enlarged" without compromising good seal.

    The head's exhaust ports do not need to be "enlarged" to match a header for a proper interface. The important step here is smaller exit port on the head to larger entrance on the header flange for anti-reversion.
     
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    totally.. the Header come with the proper gasket.

    Anti-reversion isnt that much of an issue with a boosted small cam engine, and yet the wider port.. 1.75" of the OBXr vs the 1.355" of the OEM is. So the gain ( in this case ) will over ride any anti-reversion.

    A few other aftermarket headers are basically matched to the oem gasket.. at a 1.050 high and 1.55 wide. The OBXr matches the OD size of the tubing to most aftermarket headers..

    Yep!! hard to beat a Header 7 times less in Price for a street / track car...

    Just saying.....................................

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    #20 k-huevo, Apr 6, 2012
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    Besides backpedaling on the exhaust gasket, the rest is incomprehensible. This is an NA Cooper in discussion. A forced induction engine with higher cylinder pressures doesn't preclude it from the benefits of anti-reversion steps. Excessively large exhaust primaries better suited for larger displacement than small liter normally aspirated, or very high cylinder pressures from turbo, twin charged, or overdriven supercharger, is a negative, not a positive, at any price.
     

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